I see it massively trending, something about lawsuits and media and stuff... every time I try to understand it, something just doesn't add up. We might come to that though with the help of a discussion here. What's going on?

Big tech's killing of the internet(if lawsuit against deviantart scrapped away, but lawsuit against Archive.org did destroys even internet archive)

They will abuse copyright with hypocritical neural networks so people can't even write fanfics and draw fanarts, but AI can for even monetization

It's always Big Tech companies messing up stuff for everybody with their nonsense, I'll be so happy to use Freenet/etc for my personal website, after it's booted up with Git, I wish there's an alt internet that isn't run by greedy corporate scum rn. (I seriously hate big tech so much rn...) It's already bad enough that we're letting companies destroy everything just for a quick buck, alongside copyright nonsense happening to YouTube and many more issues online.

EDIT 1: Ok so I looked into this a little more from two articles and a comment section about this, so it's about copyright over books or something about being able to archive some books, but still, screw big companies sometimes man. Sorry, I got too upset there.

Where is the line drawn?

At first, I thought this was about Archive.today, which I would understand why there would be a lawsuit against them with peoples' personal information being leaked to the public, and they refuse to take it down, no matter what. As for Archive.org, they've been hitting the toilet since day 1 of this legal problem. There have been rumors about lost media being taken off the archives, which is a detriment to the Lost Media community, because that means, due to its rarity, it's essentially wiped off the face of the earth. There's also rom dumps for video games, comics, and films that are now out of print, with the companies that produced them never re-releasing them, meaning the only way to obtain them is through internet archival. I'm kind of on both sides of the border, because I don't want to get doxxed a third time because of my private information being exposed through a who-is lookup without my consent, but I'm also planning to make a jinmenken movie at some point in the future, and I'd hate for that to get taken off the internet because someone parading as the owner of my IP decided to file a false copyright claim, and then my channel is deleted, similarly to what happened with Wolves of the Mist. It almost happened to me once because of friggin animation memes of all things.

Unless there's another dispute I'm not aware of, the current story is:

• June 2020: Four US publishers sue the Internet Archive, claiming its broadening of e-book lending as a response to library closures during pandemic lockdown constitutes breach of copyright that directly harmed revenue on 127 books. The Internet Archive and its supporting intervenors argue its activities fall under fair use provisions, and what's really at stake is preserving access to information beyond the commercial life cycle.
• March 2023: New York Southern District Court rules against the Internet Archive.
• September 2023: Internet Archive files a second circuit appeal.
• December 2023: Internet Archive submits its opening brief.

And that's where we are now.

Can you list those online issues for me(notably related to youtube's copyright nonsense)

YouTube’s copyright system basically makes it where million dollar companies and randoms can easily just copyright strike a video just because of a fan animation or music, or some other bogus complicated reason, and the system being so busted as well. It’s ridiculous as frick. I still hope people archive more content online, I sometimes wish I could time travel through my memories easily to find this one YouTube channel with the mspaint cross drawing as their pfp, sorry I’ll stay on topic now.

Worse, that copyright system can let people got away with monetizing AI-generated stuff

Youtube copyright bots: you can make money with AI-generated films, but you can't post fan-animations even for anything but monetizations(even when former are clearly more of a copyright infringement than latter not only AI-generated works are frankensteined from pre-existing works. While latter are drawn from scratch(making this more of fair use than monetized AI-generated works), regardless of pre-existing IPs used there)

Reading some of the above, I guess I understand the whole legal issue presence. The confusing part comes from the reaction. Suppose this were conversationally noteworthy but then AI came up... if the issue is similar (complete with the encroached content aspect), why is the lense different? In a sense, it's like when it's the buzz, everyone is doing a 180 when it comes to that.

https://www.wired.com/story/internet-archive-loses-hachette-books-case-appeal/

https://blog.archive.org/2024/09/04/internet-archive-responds-to-appellate-opinion/

Again, a TLDR on the content of your links would be helpful. A short explanation of what is said in them so it's not just bare links without context.

Thank you.

-- BK

Internet Archive losing appeal to Hachette vs Internet Archive

Now the internet archive is trying to recover from a "hacker group" from them using script kiddies and a lot of people are not happy, at least on Twitter replies to the "hacker group" as I've observed from afar.

(Well, at least I'll continue archiving older videos on my obscure video/animations/movie archives repo.)

Currently they're still working on stopping script kiddie ddos attack, some fricking people man...The site will be a little slow 

(It's already bad enough that the IA are already having lawsuits being chucked at them by companies, and now this.)

now it probably recovered from that DDOS attack

When I checked Archvie dot org, it's now offline, I swear scriptkiddies are just the worse, and they ddos'd the site thinking it's made by a goverment entity, even thought the internet archive is non-profit.

Now the scriptkiddies Twitter account is restricted, that's good tbh, I want the internet archive to come back so I can archive more older videos I liked watching, and to read more book pdfs.

(I changed my password for the email I used for my internet archive account, don't worry.)

me too

One more update, they're now fixing stuff and then they'll bring the internet archive online, and the volume is back to normal as well.

They're also upgrading their security on their site as well, the data from the site is safe and sound as well.

I just wanted to make an update.

I forgot to mention that this happened to me when I was a kid.

Someone pretended to be a record company and copystruck one of my old animation memes, because I was a victim of cancel culture in the past for not handling harassment very well. I could easily tell it was a false strike, because their personal information was in the dispute (mine was also included which was how I ended up getting doxxed in the past.) I actually tried to dispute the claim by explaining that my video falls under fair use, and is therefore protected by copyright law, but that was apparently the worst thing I could have done, because when YouTube saw the dispute, they just decided to delete the animation completely and gave me a copyright strike lasting half a year, and for the first week, I couldn't upload videos at all. They were clearly trying to put my animation hobby in danger by trying to get my channel taken down.

It's been over 13 years since that incident, and YouTube hasn't changed since, it only got worse.

Yeah, YouTube's copyright systems are still broken and bogus, alongside YouTube having braindead robots working for them, I seriously got two music playlists I've made taken down for "hate speech" and the bot didn't even specify what video counts either, but yeah.

(I'm also glad that the internet archive is coming back at some point too.)

me too(in Internet Archive's returns part)

youtube copyright system was broken enough to not bat an eye on people making money with AI-generated stuff, but bans even Fan-works that's completely made from scratch and made zero pennies

Funnily enough, I see actual hate speech all over my For You page, and they're recommended from channels that I legitimately hate for the same reason, but apparently YouTube's "not interested" button doesn't work, because I also keep getting a fake "Near" channel, even though I clicked "don't recommend channel" nearly a thousand times, because I find it distasteful that they're posing as a deceased software developer. The hate speech me and a bunch of other people report is usually transphobic, homophobic, sexist, and even racist content, but YouTube never does anything about it, but some no-budget animated wolf series that vibes like The Rebel's Howl with magic and fantasy elements can't stay because it used anime music. Yep, it seems that "WTFU" still stands today. 

Shadane has made me aware that the Internet Archive's infrastructure remains compromised, so users may want to avoid official activity until the general all-clear.

YouTube Copywrong is very much real, but every time I see "WTFU" I'm reminded of a piece pointing out the irony that Doug Walker was leading that campaign, as the way Nostalgia Critic pulled clips could arguably be abusing fair use provisions. I'll have to see if I can track it down.

I had no idea, I thought it was Anime America leading the campaign, but I apparently didn't look into it enough when the problem was actively at its worst in the 2010s.
But yeah, I've been pretty fearful about another potential data breach, so I planned to move some of my older work and stamps I used into a private Imgur album.

other Archive.org service has come back online, it just read-only for now